{"id":12459,"date":"2014-02-03T01:00:17","date_gmt":"2014-02-03T06:00:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/southeastofheaven.com\/?p=12459"},"modified":"2014-02-05T08:09:28","modified_gmt":"2014-02-05T13:09:28","slug":"blowing-wind-with-rival-sons-scott-holliday","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.southeastofheaven.com\/?p=12459","title":{"rendered":"Part I of II: Blowin\u2019 Wind with Rival Sons\u2019 Scott Holiday: \u201cRock N\u2019 Roll isn\u2019t too abundant right now.  It\u2019s kind of just leaking in here and there.  If people are going to hear us they\u2019re going to need to take it in a small pill.\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/southeastofheaven.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/RIVAL-SONS-LEEDS-METROPOLITAN-UNIVERSITY-13TH-APRIL-2013-16.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft  wp-image-12491\" alt=\"RIVAL-SONS-LEEDS-METROPOLITAN-UNIVERSITY-13TH-APRIL-2013-16\" src=\"https:\/\/southeastofheaven.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/RIVAL-SONS-LEEDS-METROPOLITAN-UNIVERSITY-13TH-APRIL-2013-16.jpg\" width=\"280\" height=\"420\" \/><\/a>California based rockers Rival Sons have been bringing their heart and soul infused classic rock sounds to the masses since 2008.\u00a0 One listen to this band and it will blow your mind that they\u2019ve only been at this for a mere 5 years.\u00a0 Their cohesive, tight as a drum sound is reminiscent of a band that has been at this for 3, even 4 times longer than what they\u2019ve actually been together for.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>I recently had the opportunity to talk with guitarist Scott Holiday and what started out as a 20 minute interview turned into an hour long conversation that had me completely entertained and feeling like I had learned so much about one of my favorite bands.\u00a0 This was such an in depth talk that this ended up being a two part interview.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>In this part we talked about following up their monumental 2013 release Head Down, the shadiness of the record industry, and how the hell a song like \u201cManifest Destiny Pt. 1\u201d could be captured in just one take.\u00a0 I feel like there was no stone left unturned in this unabridged, unfiltered conversation.\u00a0 Get yourself a drink, put on some Rival Sons, and settle in for Part 1 of my two part interview with Scott Holiday!\u00a0 Enjoy!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong>Scott.\u00a0 Thanks so much for doing this interview today brother!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s my pleasure Don.\u00a0 Thanks for having me.<\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong>So are you guys on a break or something and plotting your next phase of world domination?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>[laughs] We are on a very rare break.\u00a0 We\u2019re usually out on the road but we just got back from Canada where we did a few weeks out there.\u00a0 We\u2019re aiming to be in the studio in January.\u00a0 We have a couple of one off shows in the next couple of months and just trying to get our act together.\u00a0 We\u2019re going to sign our next deal and get things in order before the next record.<\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong>You mentioned that you guys are signing a new deal.\u00a0 Will this new deal be a record deal?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>We just do one record at a time deals.\u00a0 For some reason, we\u2019ve been able to negotiate these kinds of deals so this also allows us to keep the rights and control of everything one record at a time.\u00a0 We actually own all of our records and we\u2019ve kept a lot of our business and our rights.\u00a0 We own more than the average band.<\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong>Why not just sign a big deal with a big company like Warner Bros or Universal?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s just now who we are.\u00a0 What they want for a deal like that is hilarious.\u00a0 I\u2019m not selling off my children, I\u2019m not giving away my loved ones, and I\u2019m keeping all my body parts [laughs].\u00a0\u00a0 Those people are terrible and really demonic.\u00a0 In all seriousness, what they want to take from you on a business level is really sad and they\u2019re getting it from people.\u00a0 They give you one chance, one record and you better hope that your planets align because if they don\u2019t, you\u2019ve just ruined your entire career because now you owe them for those records and guess what?\u00a0 They\u2019re not going to make those records for you so you can\u2019t go sign another deal and your trapped.<\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong>The delusions of these bands are that they believe that the Warner Bros, the Atlantic Records, the Universals of the world are where the money <a href=\"https:\/\/southeastofheaven.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/rival-sons-14062013-02.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-12490\" alt=\"rival-sons-14062013-02\" src=\"https:\/\/southeastofheaven.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/rival-sons-14062013-02-300x203.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"203\" \/><\/a>is.\u00a0 You guys have just chosen to not sell your souls or your artistic rights and chosen to go with the smaller guys for maybe enough money to get you by.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Right.\u00a0 What they\u2019re asking for is just not fair.\u00a0 Here\u2019s a simple analogy.\u00a0 You have a can of Coke.\u00a0 I want to buy your can of Coke for a dollar and you give me that can of Coke.\u00a0 This is a normal deal right?\u00a0 Now I\u2019m the record company.\u00a0 If you sell me that can of Coke, I promise you a keg.\u00a0 Actually, I don\u2019t just want that can of Coke though.\u00a0 I want your rights to every can of Coke you ever buy again.\u00a0 Ok?\u00a0 Here\u2019s a dollar [laughs].\u00a0 That\u2019s what they\u2019re doing to people.<\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong>It sounds like I\u2019m catching you at a pretty exciting time as there sounds like some cool shit is about to go down.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Oh yeah.\u00a0 I mean, we are definitely fired up to get back in there and make a new record that\u2019s for sure.\u00a0 The album cycle for this one (Head Down) went way longer than any album cycle.\u00a0 We\u2019ve been priding ourselves over these last 4 records on making sure that every year we have something new coming out.\u00a0 Unfortunately for this record the releases were offset by like 6 months between the US and Canada so we had to put another 6-8 months into it.<\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong>I know it was a long cycle but man, we barely saw you guys hitting the states behind this one.\u00a0 I\u2019m just going to cut to the chase here.\u00a0 Why has there been such a lack of Rival Sons here in the US?\u00a0 What is it that people just aren\u2019t getting here?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Well, I think that business wise you\u2019ve got to work where your dollar is best well spent.\u00a0 You can only focus on so much of the world.\u00a0 It\u2019s a huge place and you can only focus on certain areas so much.\u00a0 It costs a lot of money and it takes a lot of time.\u00a0 From the beginning of our career we\u2019ve been pretty focused on Europe because they took to us quicker.\u00a0 The media has taken to us and we\u2019re on magazine covers over there, we\u2019re charting over there, and we\u2019re on radio all over the place, and we play pretty big theaters over there.\u00a0 When it\u2019s time for us to work, it\u2019s just kind of our go to.\u00a0 Our next biggest market that took to us quicker than the US has been Canada.\u00a0 I think the answer that everybody wants to hear from me is that America hates rock n\u2019 roll [laughs].\u00a0 We know that\u2019s not what it is at all and we know that there are great fans here.\u00a0 We have a boatload of fans here but it\u2019s just such a huge territory.\u00a0 It\u2019s a little bit slower here and everyone\u2019s taking to us slower.\u00a0 We don\u2019t get tour support.\u00a0 We fund everything ourselves so it\u2019s going to take us spending a whole bunch of money.\u00a0 That said, we\u2019re going to focus on this album cycle much more on being over here with our brethren.<\/p>\n<p><center><iframe src=\"\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/-MA0m1K2jW4\" height=\"315\" width=\"560\" allowfullscreen=\"\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/center><strong>I feel like the music world is just so over saturated with bands these days.\u00a0 If it wasn\u2019t for running this site I don\u2019t know that I would\u2019ve ever heard some of my favorite bands such as Christian Mistress, Gypsyhawk, or even Rival Sons.\u00a0 I feel like the good news is that anyone can make a record these days and the bad news is that anyone can make a record these days.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>[laughs] That\u2019s right.\u00a0 I say the same thing.\u00a0 I hear a lot of people saying, \u201cMan, there\u2019s not as much good music now as there was back in then\u201d and every time I hear that I say, \u201cYou are out of your mind.\u201d\u00a0 There\u2019s 10 times more going on right now than there ever was but it\u2019s kind of like being in a crowded room or club and you\u2019re trying to get to the other side of the room.\u00a0 We\u2019re all moving through a very packed area so it\u2019s hard to sift through all the bands to find the things that we might love or great.<\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong>Just like the \u201cold days\u201d, you still have to do a little digging and little groundwork to find those special bands.\u00a0 I remember being a kid and going to record stores and asking the guy behind the counter, \u201cHey, I love Iron Maiden.\u00a0 Who else is out there that is like that?\u201d\u00a0 Now we have this internet thing and we can find anything and everything.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Exactly!\u00a0 I remember when I was really little and already buying records and the internet was not a thing.\u00a0 Could you imagine how it is for kids now where everything they want is right there in the Google machine [laughs]?\u00a0 Not only is it there but it\u2019s buyable in seconds.\u00a0 This is really revolutionary and mind bending.\u00a0 If you wanted a Flamin\u2019 Groovies record, you could search for five years going through states and countries before you\u2019d even come across your first Flamin\u2019 Groovies record.\u00a0 Now,Google machine, there it is and buy their whole collection [laughs].\u00a0 It\u2019s a no brainer anymore.<\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong>So even with the internet today guys like you and me can still enjoy the hunt and save a shit ton of gas.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>[laughs] There\u2019s still some fun to doing this on the computer.\u00a0 I think there\u2019s still that hunt and that kill out there to discover.\u00a0 It\u2019s not that deep think like when you\u2019d come across that Flamin\u2019 Groovies record at a garage sale.<\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong>That\u2019s how it was for me with the Captain Beyond debut album.\u00a0 I could\u2019ve bought it on Ebay but I hunted forever, found it, and stuck it in frame on my wall for all to see!\u00a0 I was like, FINALLY!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>[laughs] You know what?\u00a0 All I really listen to out of fun and out of quality is vinyl.\u00a0 That changes the hunt to.\u00a0 You can buy all that vinyl on the computer but I like to stick to that mentality that you\u2019re talking about with the Captain Beyond album.\u00a0 I look for original copies and limited editions for my collection.\u00a0 I just go to shops and garage sales.\u00a0 Every country I go to I look for certain things that are only limited to those countries and bring them home.<\/p>\n<p><center><iframe src=\"\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/_8Tr74Jbw34\" height=\"315\" width=\"420\" allowfullscreen=\"\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/center><strong>Rival Sons released their entire catalog on vinyl.\u00a0 When you recording these albums, did you go into the recording and production process with the idea that they were going to be mixed specifically for a vinyl medium as opposed to mixing for CD and then just putting out vinyl?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Not really.\u00a0 We\u2019re not trying to be such ridiculous hipsters saying shit like, \u201cLet\u2019s go in and make this only on cassette and really lo-fi.\u201d\u00a0 We\u2019re just trying to make the best sounding record.\u00a0 We\u2019re recording a lot of analog and using a lot of analog paths.\u00a0 We master for vinyl, we master for digital.\u00a0 We\u2019re just trying to make something now that is us.\u00a0 That is going to digital.\u00a0 We all have iPhones, we all are Mac people.\u00a0 We\u2019re in that world but we all have record players and love listening to vinyl.\u00a0 It\u2019s not one or the other.\u00a0 We live in the now.\u00a0 People want to throw us back into some old era but no, that\u2019s not what I\u2019m into.\u00a0 I\u2019m not constantly listening to copies of Moby Grape on repeat.\u00a0 That\u2019s not what\u2019s happening here.\u00a0 I like the new MGMT [laughs].<\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"irc_mut alignleft\" id=\"irc_mi\" style=\"margin-top: 4px;\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/assets.blabbermouth.net\/media\/rivalsonsalbum2012.jpg\" width=\"333\" height=\"333\" \/>Head Down is such a great album but it\u2019s a step in another direction from Pressure and Time.\u00a0 Matter of fact, listening to each of the Rival Sons albums I can hear a steady evolution and progression to where you are now.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Well thank goodness you\u2019re a fan and you\u2019re hearing an evolution.\u00a0 From record to record there should be a stylistic and sonic shift.\u00a0 We\u2019re never going into studio saying, \u201cLet\u2019s make part 2 of that one.\u201d\u00a0 Before the Fire was before Jay (Buchanan; lead vocalist) was in the band.\u00a0 Those are more my songs that I had written with another singer who didn\u2019t write at all.\u00a0 I ended up removing this singer from the band and then got Jay in the group who agreed to sing all these songs.\u00a0 There\u2019s a whole different sound happening.\u00a0 There\u2019s a lot more of my eastern influence and a lot more of an early British invasion sound because that was the place where we were at.\u00a0 The EP was the first one that we worked with Jay on so you\u2019re going to get a way bluesy version of us because that\u2019s Jay.\u00a0 You\u2019re also going to get the sound of four dudes working hard together instead of just one dude\u2019s perspective.\u00a0 Pressure and Time was pretty much the sound of the band being pretty much minted and ready to make a real effort together.\u00a0 It was very concise and very right to the point.\u00a0 I wanted the songwriting to be short, direct, and very easy for people to swallow.\u00a0 Rock N\u2019 Roll isn\u2019t too abundant right now.\u00a0 It\u2019s kind of just leaking in here and there.\u00a0 If people are going to hear us they\u2019re going to need to take it in a small pill.\u00a0 It can\u2019t be a horse pill.\u00a0 We had toured that record for a whole year and had expanded those arrangements, met our fan base, and circled the globe a few times.\u00a0 When we stepped into the studio right off the tour to make Head Down and we were all very collectively on the same page.\u00a0 We needed to show people a little more of what the live show feels like and a little bit more of what the band is.<\/p>\n<p>====================================================<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tell me about the song Manifest Destiny.\u00a0 Is it true that what we hear was the first take?\u00a0 If so, how the hell did you pull that off?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>[laughs] Everything was plugged in, everything was mic\u2019d up, the producer was in the booth, and we just had everything ready to go.\u00a0 We were just prepared to capture.\u00a0 With Manifest Destiny Pt I, It was the first time we ever even played the song together.\u00a0 I\u2019m not talking about rehearsing it for a month and then doing it in one take but the way.\u00a0 We talked about the song, talked about the changes, maybe mapped out a few things for a couple of minutes and then we say, \u201cOK, let\u2019s try playing it\u201d and that \u201ctry\u201d became the take we used on the record.\u00a0 It was really far out for us and it was unlike anything I had ever done.\u00a0 There was definitely that feeling of immediacy that we wanted to capture early takes but when it does happen it\u2019s really fun for all of us.<\/p>\n<p><center><iframe src=\"\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/f-WixPqBIZQ\" height=\"315\" width=\"560\" allowfullscreen=\"\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/center><em><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/southeastofheaven.com\/?p=12479\" target=\"_blank\">Read Part II of my interview with Scott Holiday HERE!<\/a><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>California based rockers Rival Sons have been bringing their heart and soul infused classic rock sounds to the masses since 2008.\u00a0 One listen to this band and it will blow your mind that 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